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susan rice very much in more of the hawkish camp. she was along with hillary clinton one of the two people that really sort of pushed the national security team to be more aggressive on the libya front during the decision to have the -- to create that no-fly zone. john kerry has a history of being a little more dovish, if you will, voting against a lot of interventions. so how much of an intervention would she be, there was actually a philosophical issue, if you will. i think on paper, the president likes both of them. knows it's important to john kerry and believes john kerry earned the right to be secretary of state, more than fully qualified, but i think in his heart of hearts, his heart was telling him susan rice but he was getting political advice ha said, is this a fight worth having? you've got a lot of fights you're going to have on capitol hill in the next six to nine months, including the one you're in the middle ever now. is this one worth it? >> but, chuck, this woman was highly qualified. she's a rhodes scholar. she has
susan rice very much in more of the hawkish camp. she was along with hillary clinton one of the two people that really sort of pushed the national security team to be more aggressive on the libya front during the decision to have the -- to create that no-fly zone. john kerry has a history of being a little more dovish, if you will, voting against a lot of interventions. so how much of an intervention would she be, there was actually a philosophical issue, if you will. i think on paper, the...
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susan rice is somebody they know very well. they're very loyal to her. this is somebody who has worked her way up through the diplomatic ranks in a way that's different from john kerry. john kerry worked his way up to the political ranks. susan rice has done every job you need to have done in unelected politics, if you will, to be qualified, to have the resume, to have the experience to be secretary of state. and, by the way, don't forget there was also the fact that kerry and rice in some ways some could argue see the world a little bit differently. susan rice is somebody a little more of an interventionist. wants to get involved. look at libya. she was somebody that was strongly there. john kerry is somebody who has seen war firsthand and is somebody who is very much hesitant as an interventionist when it comes to things. voted against things. so there was a lot here i think that was more than just am i going to do something with my friend or do something to reward the party. more complicated than that. >> i guess that's why as a commentator i feel mor
susan rice is somebody they know very well. they're very loyal to her. this is somebody who has worked her way up through the diplomatic ranks in a way that's different from john kerry. john kerry worked his way up to the political ranks. susan rice has done every job you need to have done in unelected politics, if you will, to be qualified, to have the resume, to have the experience to be secretary of state. and, by the way, don't forget there was also the fact that kerry and rice in some ways...
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he really wanted susan rice. and then it became clear that she had problems that were identified by john mccain and others who found her too political. they thought that she made it worse by going up to the hill u and i was told by people very close to the president that he would have withdrawn or asked her to withdraw sooner but did not want to back down in the face of opposition from john mccain. >> andrea mitchell, part of our team covering this story. we do want to let you know that ambassador rice will be speaking to us exclusively for tonight's broadcast of "rock center," 10:00 eastern/9 central time. we will hear from the ambassador as to her reasoning for, again, wi withdrawing hear hurricane rita name from consideration as the next possible sochls we will see you again on "nbc nightly news" this evening. for our team in washington, i'm brian williams, nbc news. >> you heard it there, susan rice will not be the next secretary of state. my quick two thoughts here. i'm rye relieved, someone following the li
he really wanted susan rice. and then it became clear that she had problems that were identified by john mccain and others who found her too political. they thought that she made it worse by going up to the hill u and i was told by people very close to the president that he would have withdrawn or asked her to withdraw sooner but did not want to back down in the face of opposition from john mccain. >> andrea mitchell, part of our team covering this story. we do want to let you know that...
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. >> what's happened is if susan rice has taken a beating. we look at her favorability now in the new nbc news-wall street journal poll -- our poll -- it shows she only has a 20% favorable rating. neutral 25%. disapproval, 24%. for someone that isn't that well known, she has been associated with just this fight and just benghazi. >> the biggest number at all is most people don't know enough about her to make up their opinion. as we know, the way politics worse is that absence two sides of a debate, one side will win. if there is one piece of information, it's all been pretty negative about her so far. i do think there is a risk for republicans regardless of whether they will say that if they proceed with a pretty ugly i think there are problems with terms of tone and how aggress he have the republicans want to be seen as going after her especially because so many attacks are over this benghazi issue and over talking points, and -- >> she had nothing -- >> look. her critics make other arguments, and you can debate the substance of that, but ma
. >> what's happened is if susan rice has taken a beating. we look at her favorability now in the new nbc news-wall street journal poll -- our poll -- it shows she only has a 20% favorable rating. neutral 25%. disapproval, 24%. for someone that isn't that well known, she has been associated with just this fight and just benghazi. >> the biggest number at all is most people don't know enough about her to make up their opinion. as we know, the way politics worse is that absence two...
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susan rice will be fine. she's going to go on and do great things for the country. but we've lost a public servant. and the president has been thwarted. and i think this boeds terribly for the supposed, new bipartisan cooperation that we're all supposed to hope for. >> congresswoman, we've also seen a blatant double standard. in november, matt lowe, he con fronted mccane about why he stood up for condolisa rice after a mass of intelligence failure in 2005. let me show you both the question and the response and get you to give me your view on this. >> you said opponents were expressing sour grapes after an election loss. why is this different? >> because every intelligence agency in the world, including the british, believe iraq had weapons of mass destruction. that was an entirely different situation. >> so when the intelligence believed there were weapons of mass destruction that were not there, it was fine because they believed it. but when they give susan rice talking points that they believe to be true, all of the sudden, she's not bright. she can't be trusted.
susan rice will be fine. she's going to go on and do great things for the country. but we've lost a public servant. and the president has been thwarted. and i think this boeds terribly for the supposed, new bipartisan cooperation that we're all supposed to hope for. >> congresswoman, we've also seen a blatant double standard. in november, matt lowe, he con fronted mccane about why he stood up for condolisa rice after a mass of intelligence failure in 2005. let me show you both the...
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rice and susan rice is hanging out there now, and everyone -- all of her critics are taking shots at her. is there any reason to want to try to move this more quickly, the cabinet selection? what goes on behind the scenes here? >> i would take some exception with the way you describe it, andrea. look, these are important decisions. john kerry, senator kerry, and ambassador rice are extremely well qualified. obviously, there's been a lot of news around the ambassador over the last number of months by virtue of them benghazi situation. she is extremely well qualified. the president knows that. he is not iffing to be forced into a decision by virtue of the chatter that's out there in the street and the politics, and i think he is going about it in a deliberate way. there are a lot of other issues also going on that he deals with on a daily basis that are very real-time, and you also have the fiscal cliff problem. he i don't feel has the secretary of state who has said she will stay in in national hockey league a replacement is there. it is normal to get that done right before the inaugu
rice and susan rice is hanging out there now, and everyone -- all of her critics are taking shots at her. is there any reason to want to try to move this more quickly, the cabinet selection? what goes on behind the scenes here? >> i would take some exception with the way you describe it, andrea. look, these are important decisions. john kerry, senator kerry, and ambassador rice are extremely well qualified. obviously, there's been a lot of news around the ambassador over the last number...
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jimmy, when it does come to susan rice, why is john mccain going after her so forcefully, basically giving a pass to secretary of state hillary clinton, but going after rice. >> it's interesting, because that is the committee of jurisdiction. any nomination will be sent to the committee for an up or down vote. with jim demint resigning, there's an opening on the committee and john mccain wants it. he's already lost his ranking membership on the commerce committee, so what's john mccain, the elder statesman supposed to do, be the most junior freshman of the foreign relations committee that he's going to try to stop any nomination brought to the hill for secretary of state. it's a very interesting move on his part. >> meanwhile, there's been grand speculation of whether or not this nomination will rise up and go forward. republicans have certainly been forcefully trying to stomp that down and even promote john kerry to that role, but does the president get backed into the corner by the fact republicans have been so opposed by this, does he need to nominate rice to make a statement? >> he nee
jimmy, when it does come to susan rice, why is john mccain going after her so forcefully, basically giving a pass to secretary of state hillary clinton, but going after rice. >> it's interesting, because that is the committee of jurisdiction. any nomination will be sent to the committee for an up or down vote. with jim demint resigning, there's an opening on the committee and john mccain wants it. he's already lost his ranking membership on the commerce committee, so what's john mccain,...
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we're told the president's still not decided about susan rice versus john kerry, and now there are a number of other players because this is a domino bit of business, where if susan rice goes to the senate department instead of john kerry, it would mean that someone else, probably tom donna lin will remain as chief of -- as national security adviser. it would open up the u.n. ambassador's job for samantha power. look at some of the players in play here. you have a team being weighed and balanced. susan, what are you hearing as to which way the president might go? >> you know, i think that you would have to talk -- the true answer is i don't know which way the president is going to go. i think he's in a box. he's gotten himself in a pickle here. it seems clear his preference is susan rice for state and that's buying an argument he knows that's buying a fight with the senate for confirmation. if he goes with her he's going to spend political capital there. if he doesn't go for her now, does it indicate he's backing off in the face of opposition which might send a signal. i think this w
we're told the president's still not decided about susan rice versus john kerry, and now there are a number of other players because this is a domino bit of business, where if susan rice goes to the senate department instead of john kerry, it would mean that someone else, probably tom donna lin will remain as chief of -- as national security adviser. it would open up the u.n. ambassador's job for samantha power. look at some of the players in play here. you have a team being weighed and...
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susan rice. will she be the president's secretary of state nominee and could she get confirmed in the senate at this point? >> i can't say that because the president has not told me what his decision will be. there have been two excellent names mentioned, ambassador rice and my colleague, senator kerry. either one of them would have a tough job following the great job of hillary clinton, but they could both serve this country in an extraordinary way as secretary of state. >> you're saying that rice could get confirmed? >> i do believe so. i think at the end, some of the criticisms against her have been unwarranted. many have gone just too far. there is really a basic feeling of fairness. she is an extraordinary person. she's certainly well educated and has really served our nation well as ambassador to the united nations. >> all right. and msnbc's lawrence o'donnell. all coming up after the break. >>> "me >>> coming up here, as hillary clinton prepares to step down as secretary of state, her popu
susan rice. will she be the president's secretary of state nominee and could she get confirmed in the senate at this point? >> i can't say that because the president has not told me what his decision will be. there have been two excellent names mentioned, ambassador rice and my colleague, senator kerry. either one of them would have a tough job following the great job of hillary clinton, but they could both serve this country in an extraordinary way as secretary of state. >> you're...
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susan rice has done a great job as u.n. ambassador, but i've made a decision about secretary of state. >> joining us now here in washington, former national security adviser for president carter, dr. zbigniew brzezinski, author of "strategic vision." great to have you back on, dad. sam stein and steve rattner also with us. is barnicle still in new york? yeah. okay. >> wake up, mike. >> he's asleep. >> wake up. >> what does "there" exactly mean. >> define that. we've been talking, dr. brzezinski, about the fiscal cliff. i'd love your take on it, what signal it sends to the rest of the world that we don't seem to be able to put our economic house in order. >> well, the way you put it, you give the answer. your answer is right. we look a little bit disorderly. indecisive, leaderless. that's a real problem. and that's a problem that concerns me particularly on foreign affairs. the presidency, not just president obama, but the presidency in recent years has lost some of the terrain that they used to dominate in the making of for
susan rice has done a great job as u.n. ambassador, but i've made a decision about secretary of state. >> joining us now here in washington, former national security adviser for president carter, dr. zbigniew brzezinski, author of "strategic vision." great to have you back on, dad. sam stein and steve rattner also with us. is barnicle still in new york? yeah. okay. >> wake up, mike. >> he's asleep. >> wake up. >> what does "there" exactly mean....
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there have been voices thought wondered why she has not been scrutinized as much as susan rice or general david petraeus, into matter, even though he was slightly scrutinized about that as well? >> that is a fair inkwurry. secretary clint, as you recall, right before the debates, took full responsible for the what happened in ben gas zip. and she was the secretary of state. were there mistakes made in the department? yes. were they her mistakes, probably not. but as head of the department she takes responsibility for them. i agree with chris her performance, i can't remember in my lifetime, a secretary of state as effective. this problem, and this is a problem, will be a very, very minor thing on her record as secretary of state o >> it depends on how this hearing goes, you have republicans who reportedly behind the scenes fearful to take her on if they decide to launch an assault if they can't, if you will, get their hoornsd susan rice, unfollowing go after the former cis director, general david petraeus, might she be the target? >> i doubt t i don't think that would be a smart strategy
there have been voices thought wondered why she has not been scrutinized as much as susan rice or general david petraeus, into matter, even though he was slightly scrutinized about that as well? >> that is a fair inkwurry. secretary clint, as you recall, right before the debates, took full responsible for the what happened in ben gas zip. and she was the secretary of state. were there mistakes made in the department? yes. were they her mistakes, probably not. but as head of the department...
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ambassador susan rice is nominated for secretary of state to replace hillary clinton, senator john mccain said he will be part of theirings. >>> conservative glenn beck is now joining republicans who support gay marriage. he said, quote, it's not whether they should be married or not. the question is why is the government involved in our marriage. >>> former house majority leader dick armey talking on cbs talking about the 2012 election said, quote, we had a lot of candidates, quite frankly, that did dumb things out there. >>> the republican national committee is planning an autopsy on the campaign to exam what worked and what didn't work in 2012. >>> a new politico poll finds that romney supported him by 47% and 650% put romney on their night list. >>> meanwhile the president and his family got in the spirit at the christmas concert with diana ross and koenen o'brien and they got to meet some of the former patients who dressed up as santa's little helper elves. >> release the elves. hey, elf, what's your name. >> olivia. >> everybody look up and say cheese. >> cheese. >> cheese. >> say m
ambassador susan rice is nominated for secretary of state to replace hillary clinton, senator john mccain said he will be part of theirings. >>> conservative glenn beck is now joining republicans who support gay marriage. he said, quote, it's not whether they should be married or not. the question is why is the government involved in our marriage. >>> former house majority leader dick armey talking on cbs talking about the 2012 election said, quote, we had a lot of candidates,...
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rice, attacking susan rice for days. is that a fight that they want to pick? >> you'd think they wouldn't want to pick this fight, especially when there are other well-qualified people who want to be secretary of state such as john kerry, the senator of massachusetts, has made no secret at all that this is a position he's wanted far really long time. so you think this would not be a battle the white house would pick. but obviously the president has a lot of loyalty to susan rice. his defense of her a couple weeks ago from the podium was really unique and frankly defensive. so if this is who he wants, he has every right to nominate her and the senate has every right to say no. >> david, before i let you guys get out of here, i had katon dawson on a few minutes ago. saturdays we like to engage in speculation a fair amount. he didn't say whether he would take a nod from governor hailey for that senate seat. if you were a betting man, who would you bet that the governor gives the nod to that jim demint senate seat? >> i'm al
rice, attacking susan rice for days. is that a fight that they want to pick? >> you'd think they wouldn't want to pick this fight, especially when there are other well-qualified people who want to be secretary of state such as john kerry, the senator of massachusetts, has made no secret at all that this is a position he's wanted far really long time. so you think this would not be a battle the white house would pick. but obviously the president has a lot of loyalty to susan rice. his...
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that was her goal. >> so obviously, secretary clinton offering a vigorous defense of susan rice, the context obviously being the attacks on benghazi and libya and the republican calls for more information. is there anything to be read from the fact that we have seen both president obama and secretary of state clinton go out of their way in a way to defend susan rice? is there anything we should tea leave read from that fact? >> well, chris, i think the president and secretary of state were right to defend per. these allegations are completely unfounded. they're unfair to her. she is a very talented, very effective, committed public servant. you know you know how those sunday show work when administration officials of either party go on, they're following talking points that the republican or democratic administration, whichever party's in power, has constructed and that's what susan did that morning. if any other administration official had been on the air that morning they would have said essentially more or less the same thing. i don't think the attacks are fair and she deserves a
that was her goal. >> so obviously, secretary clinton offering a vigorous defense of susan rice, the context obviously being the attacks on benghazi and libya and the republican calls for more information. is there anything to be read from the fact that we have seen both president obama and secretary of state clinton go out of their way in a way to defend susan rice? is there anything we should tea leave read from that fact? >> well, chris, i think the president and secretary of...
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ambassador susan rice, calling her a stalwart colleague. rice is seen as a top pick to succeed clinton in the state department, but is under attack by republicans who accuse her of misleading the public in the aftermath of the september 11th attacks at the u.s. consulate in benghazi. >> and it's important to remember what susan said was based on the information that had been given to every senior official in our administration, and she made very clear in her appearances that the information was subject to change as more facts were gathered and analyzed by the intelligence community. and look, as is often the case, our understanding evolved over time. and we've done our best to keep the american people and the congress informed. that was her goal, that was her mission and she should not be criticized for doing exactly that. >> that, of course, comes in direct conflict with what general david petraeus, the director of the cia, told the committee in the senate where he said they knew immediately after the attack, the next day, that it was, in
ambassador susan rice, calling her a stalwart colleague. rice is seen as a top pick to succeed clinton in the state department, but is under attack by republicans who accuse her of misleading the public in the aftermath of the september 11th attacks at the u.s. consulate in benghazi. >> and it's important to remember what susan said was based on the information that had been given to every senior official in our administration, and she made very clear in her appearances that the...
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ambassador susan rice's personal rating upside down. first time we've ever tested her. a third of the voters say they don't know who she is. that's amazing that only a third of voters doesn't know who she is. among those who do know her, only 20% view her positively, 20% negatively, for now benghazi has taken a back seat to syria, where the syria military is now firing scud missiles at rebel forces in the north, almost thumbing its nose a little bit at the world community here. jim joins me now. it's as if essentially they've seen the line the world is drawing when it comes to chemical weapons and feel they can do almost anything else. >> u.s. officials said this is a clear sign the assad regime in damascus is becoming ever more desperate. this is the first time in a two-year war that the syrian military has used these scud missiles against the rebels. they fired six to eight of them into the north, presumably at rebel strongholds. at least two of them, there are reports, fell in neighborhoods. there are other signs that would make it appear anyway that the assad regime
ambassador susan rice's personal rating upside down. first time we've ever tested her. a third of the voters say they don't know who she is. that's amazing that only a third of voters doesn't know who she is. among those who do know her, only 20% view her positively, 20% negatively, for now benghazi has taken a back seat to syria, where the syria military is now firing scud missiles at rebel forces in the north, almost thumbing its nose a little bit at the world community here. jim joins me...
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ambassador susan rice and the president of covering up the libya tragedy. even though the cia provided her talking points. so here we go again, a new boogieman, a defunked group stole the election. it's kind of funny but to nearly half believe it, it's scary, just like that boogieman that doesn't exist. thank for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >>> scaring the republicans. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this, with hope. i think we're getting somewhere with this fiscal cliff problem. number one, smart conservatives now say the republicans would face hell if they let this country go over the fiscal cliff. just to protect the top 2%.ç better to take the hit now, they argued, than in january with the world economy in turmoil and second recession coming. number two, john boehner, the speaker is claiming he's met obama's demand for higher taxes for the rich. that's good. he agreed in principle the rich must pay more. number three, there's talk for the republican le
ambassador susan rice and the president of covering up the libya tragedy. even though the cia provided her talking points. so here we go again, a new boogieman, a defunked group stole the election. it's kind of funny but to nearly half believe it, it's scary, just like that boogieman that doesn't exist. thank for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >>> scaring the republicans. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris...
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rice as a potential nominee. >> well, i think susan rice is imminently qualified and capable of being secretary of state. my only concern is political, and it is that the president uses up so much of his good will as he begins his second term that it does not last long enough for him to get through some of the major initiatives that we all hope will be brought forth like an energy policy. there are some -- there are dangers either way, if he goes with kerry, there is a political concern about the seat in massachusetts. so i don't know. it's not going to be an easy decision for the president, and nothing seems to have ever been easy for him since he was sworn in. >> let me ask really quickly as a new session of congress is sworn in in january. you're chairman of the congressional black caucus. what is your top goal for the new session? >> to support very strongly the president's jobs bill. in all of the discussions that we're having about the debt ceiling and the deficit, there's little, if any, talk about jobs. that's what we've got to create. and the economy has changed appreciably s
rice as a potential nominee. >> well, i think susan rice is imminently qualified and capable of being secretary of state. my only concern is political, and it is that the president uses up so much of his good will as he begins his second term that it does not last long enough for him to get through some of the major initiatives that we all hope will be brought forth like an energy policy. there are some -- there are dangers either way, if he goes with kerry, there is a political concern...
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john mccain wants to be on the committee so he can cross-examine susan rice. we'll see if that happens. >> fascinating. >> should the mets pay, mike, dickey? >> they should. they need him and their fan base needs him. they should do it. >> think the money that zach grir grinke just got paid, they need him. >> what do you think? >> they need him. absolutely. >> how are the mets doing? >> happily, it's off-season. >> mika cannot believe what's happened to the segment. >> i'm embarrassed. >> this was a good rehearsal. >> i forget we were on tv. >> boom! >> you want me to tell you about the fiscal cliff? >> you get that extra half hour to work things out? show prep? >> we have a good show. >>> how about right to work? thousands of people are expected to converge on the mischigan state capitol in lansing as part of a sfwlooempts going to be interesting. steve. >> are we going to be serious? >> am i asking you about pot or gl growing the economy. growing weed or the economy. >> republican lawmakers are trying to push through this right to work. >> this is interestin
john mccain wants to be on the committee so he can cross-examine susan rice. we'll see if that happens. >> fascinating. >> should the mets pay, mike, dickey? >> they should. they need him and their fan base needs him. they should do it. >> think the money that zach grir grinke just got paid, they need him. >> what do you think? >> they need him. absolutely. >> how are the mets doing? >> happily, it's off-season. >> mika cannot believe what's...
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you've seen the president do this when she was questioned about opposition to susan rice. she will do it in this format we're all very aware of the theatricality of. we've kind of already heard republicans drop off the benghazi issue. they started it by proposing so many hypotheticals that have now been proven wrong. i think she can close many pages of the book with a good performance this week. >> you just used a word. theatricality. is that a slate word? did you just make that up? >> i think of it whenever i see people, member of congress, preening and trying to get witnesses to embarrass themselves on tv. i think of that word. >> matt welch, what's the headline? >> "benghazi syonara." we have strange coptic christians now in jail. we have david petraeus' sex life and strange society women in florida. nothing good happens here. run screaming from this story. hillary clinton wants to leave government and get safely away from this and from also, you know, foreign policy blow-ups that might hit the obama administration in the second term so she can concentrate on winning ea
you've seen the president do this when she was questioned about opposition to susan rice. she will do it in this format we're all very aware of the theatricality of. we've kind of already heard republicans drop off the benghazi issue. they started it by proposing so many hypotheticals that have now been proven wrong. i think she can close many pages of the book with a good performance this week. >> you just used a word. theatricality. is that a slate word? did you just make that up?...